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right, so. i was playing against two wands and a blue dragon today, and i random'd knight.

guess what they all screamed the minute they saw my mobile?
"KILL THE KNIGHT FIRST! KILL THE KNIGHT!"

bam, bam, bam. my turn was last, so i was dead even before i could shoot once. and the game was on solo. they then proceeded to triple team each one of my teammates in turn, until they were all dead.

when i asked them why the hell they liked to team up on one person (and myself, i despise dting, and consider it unfair/a pussy's way out), the sapphire wand said, "what do you mean? dt is a pro thing. ask any pro, they all do it. you can't win quick unless you dt. you must play with noobs all the time."

hm? opinions please.

I see DT this way.

Love to do it, hate to have it done to me.

I think DTing is great, and a pretty smart thing to do.

If you're going to be on a team, act as a team...

If youre playing to win DT is simply the best way to do it. It's quick and efficent assuming you are able to hit the enemy. (Actualy, in score I'd say everyone fight 1 on 1 is better. As is the same in jewel obviously hehe)

If you're paying with friends I'd say don't DT unless someone asks for help.

Ganging up on a knight is nothing new or uncommon. Knight and dragon have some serious firepower and it's smart to get them out of the picture asap.

Quoteright, so. i was playing against two wands and a blue dragon today, and i random'd knight.

guess what they all screamed the minute they saw my mobile?
"KILL THE KNIGHT FIRST! KILL THE KNIGHT!"

bam, bam, bam. my turn was last, so i was dead even before i could shoot once. and the game was on solo. they then proceeded to triple team each one of my teammates in turn, until they were all dead.

when i asked them why the hell they liked to team up on one person (and myself, i despise dting, and consider it unfair/a pussy's way out), the sapphire wand said, "what do you mean? dt is a pro thing. ask any pro, they all do it. you can't win quick unless you dt. you must play with noobs all the time."

hm? opinions please.

ok like MOM said ..

QuoteLove to do it, hate to have it done to me.

but i highly doubt he said "you must play with noobs all the time"
anyways it's strategic, would you want to be killed by a knight when you and two other friends have an able shot at it?

and also like Commy said .. it's totally stupid if you're playing for fun and not to win ..

I agree on masterofme's

QuoteLove to do it, hate to have it done to me.

I saw a full health dragon being slayed by a single boomer dual shot 2 with thor to death b4 his first turn starts.
The worst is in tag, u sometimes get "half life" dragon or knight. They still count towards ur winning percentage. This is so unfair. Getting only half of the life and easy to be killed.

They're absolutely right, double team is a pro thing.  Complaining about double team is definitely a noob thing.  You (should) outgrow it eventually.  First, if you're wondering whether this is a pro talking to you:

(http://chocomaking.dimensionrpg.net/calak/check/stats.php?pseudo=Creedo&.png)

I'd actually be red wand but I wasted a lot of GP on my 2nd/3rd accts.
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If I wanted to play one on one matches, then I'd join a 1v1 room.  If I want to have multiple targets, I join 2v2, 3v3, or 4v4.  The team modes in this game were NOT meant to boil down to nothing but boring individual 1on1 matches.  Would you expect "no dt" in a first person shooter, a multiplayer rpg, etc?  Why expect it here?  Even the american National Basketball Association got rid of its silly rule about man-to-man defense.

The number one reason people complain about double teaming?  They're not going to get a turn and not getting turns = not fun.  Guess what though? HOW MUCH FUN YOU'RE HAVING IS NOT IMPORTANT TO ME  :D

I don't play with the idea that everyone, including my enemies, has as much fun as possible and gets a fair game with plenty of turns.  It's a free game and there's no limit to how many times you can retry, so if you're fucked in one game, you can play another one.  Over the long haul, you WILL get one or more turns in 95% of your games.  Hell, it's probably closer to 99% unless you're a masochist who plays only vs megapros in solo mode.

That brings me to another point I love to drag out whenever possible:
SOLO IS A STUPID MODE.  Don't play it if you don't want to have a game completely without turns.  Score gives you the fairness you're looking for and adds strategy and depth to the game.  Don't let any so-called pros tell you solo is lame, slow, blah blah blah.  They're just greedy for fast gold and GP because leveling up beyond wand rank is a very slow process.

there isn't anything wrong with dting...and anyone who tells you that dting is lame is simply pissed because he's gonna die faster.  yeah...in solo and tag, it sucks to die first and play slots for 10, 15 minutes, but if you play those kinds of games, get use to it.  

i remember a game i played a few days ago, where it was 3v3, me and 2 of my friends versus random people....they all went random and managed to get TWO dragons and a sate on cave, i was stuck with trico, if i went 1v1 with the dragon next to me...i would have died....the only way is to dt and kill them fast...and we killed one dragon before it even got its turn...meh...sad...but we play this game for fun and to win...and soon after, the other dragon fell and we actually won that game...

think of it this way....if the other team got a knight or dragon, would you and your team want to leave it there as long as possible? or would you want to kill it fast so it can't start dishing out the heavy damage.

and andrew, getting knight or dragon is tag is MUCH better,  especially if you're playing a tag game with heals on, even if you're not, having it in tag means that you can suprise your opponent and suddenly deal major damage when he's not expecting it...i'd much rather have dragon/knight in tag than out in view...as then people will kill you first...

QuoteThey're absolutely right, double team is a pro thing.  Complaining about double team is definitely a noob thing.  You (should) outgrow it eventually.  First, if you're wondering whether this is a pro talking to you:

(http://chocomaking.dimensionrpg.net/calak/check/stats.php?pseudo=Creedo&.png)

I'd actually be red wand but I wasted a lot of GP on my 2nd/3rd accts.
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and by posting that picture means you are a pro?? that's hilarious...

anywayz, about dting, it happens in solo, if u dont like it, dont play solo~ that is the only way to win, unless the other team sucks like shit.

What did you expect them to do, leave one guy standing up against your knight alone? That would be giving away a free win. Wands, yes, but not invincible. They have to stop you from winning as a result of your knight. Gunbound isn't about, honor, it's about teamwork. Let me repeat.

Teamwork

Teamwork

Teamwork

Quote(and myself, i despise dting, and consider it unfair/a pussy's way out)

Pussy way? It's the logical way. Say you're with a bunch of friends(If you have any)and a tiger attacks one of them. Let's say he's your best friend. Are you gonna fuck off and let him get slaughtered? I hope not. This happens all the time in the real world.

Double teaming also benefits the victim. While they DT you, they are allowing your teammates time to wear them out. Once you're dead, the enemies should have sustained at least some damage. They'll also have to readjust their shots. Meanwhile, your teammates have their shot worked out and can quickly take them down.

People who consider DT gay don't get the point of the game. To prevent myself from turning this into a flame, I'll stop here.

Let me guess, it was Meta Mine too. Never, ever play those games: They are invariably stacked to hell. (In fact, play on maps which DON'T benefit people who memorize every square inch of the map, sigh...)

While I think the lethality level is a wee bit high (Killing someone before their first turn just shouldn't be possible, sorry.), there is nothing wrong with doubleteaming. In fact, it's the only damned form of teamwork this game has. Think about that and let it sink in for a bit until you realize how shallow it is. But, given that it is all this game has, it's basically the primary method of play in non-solo games.

However, anyone who says it is in any way newbish/childish/whatever is completely out of their mind and lives in their own little fantasy world where team games exist so everyone can play their own individual 1v1s. Yeah, okay, whatever. Just think about it until you understand that this is not exactly the most logical method of thinking about the game.

I still prefer tag to score, but only if heals are on. Lethality is a mite ridiculous the way Softnyx has it, unfortunately. (This argument doesn't count for avatar on, though, really.) Score is just too damned melee oriented... For once I'd like to shoot beyond more than half a screen in those games. :P

THis has been said already, but yes. Double teaming is part of the game.  It's a team game, and if that means teaming up on someone to kill them quicker, thus trying to gain an advantage in the game, then go for it.   If it get's done to you, and you do it all the time, don't complain.

Quotewhen i asked them why the hell they liked to team up on one person (and myself, i despise dting, and consider it unfair/a pussy's way out), the sapphire wand said, "what do you mean? dt is a pro thing. ask any pro, they all do it. you can't win quick unless you dt. you must play with noobs all the time."

hm? opinions please.

You got knight.No questions asked,you get DTed.

As for the pro part,its just that noobs don't care about helping out their team and only help to kill as they want the cash,and pros dt more as it wins the game faster.You consider DTing unfair,play 1v1s or just quit gunbound.

wow, i'm not asking for a wave of haters here.

gosh.

yeah, but from what i read okay.
i play gb for fun, whatever.
i'll dt if i need to save someone.
but i still consider it lame to dt right from start to beginning.
call me a noob all you want.

to the question of whether i died before i got to my first turn: yes.
to the "i highly doubt he said you must play with noobs all the time": yes, he did say it.

now i invite you to stomp me more into the ground about how i'm a noob.
no offense, but it's people like you guys that really ruin the fun out of most of this game for me.
"OMG, YOU STUPID NOOB!"

-_-

Posting the picture proves I've played and won a number of games, nothing more.
Short of playing someone in the game it's the easiest proof I can come up with that I'm not some nub who's played for a week and decided he knows it all.
 
I guess I could just post anybody's picture and pretend to be some blue wand I don't even know, if THAT is what you're trying to say :P

(http://chocomaking.dimensionrpg.net/calak/check/stats.php?pseudo=fankee&.PNG)

Dude you're almost diamond.  Find me on gunbound and let's rack up some GP.

how do we exactly take the fun out of this game? yeah...we dt when we need to...i'm not going to shoot cross map at a target half hidden and hard for me to hit just so that people can feel its fair...that we're dueling 1v1 even though its a 4v4 team game.  i'm going to hit the person that i can be sure of hitting...part of having fun is winning, losing all the time because of someone on your team that doesn't understand the concept of teamwork is frustrating...

you are entitled to your own views, and i'm not gonna call you noob just because you think dting is lame...if you don't like getting dted and dying fast...don't play solo...and don't play against overly stacked teams.  simple as that...

don't tell me you've never asked for help or had teammates help you when you came face to face with a dragon or knight.  

Quotewow, i'm not asking for a wave of haters here.

gosh.

yeah, but from what i read okay.
i play gb for fun, whatever.
i'll dt if i need to save someone.
but i still consider it lame to dt right from start to beginning.
call me a noob all you want.

Well, no offense, but when your argument boils down to "TEAMWORK IS LAME", it's really hard not to give a good solid whack. Anyone above an average level of skill can see right through this nonsense, know what I mean? If you don't like that aspect of the game, you should probably just stay away from solo and tag, because that's basically how you win those games.

By the way, if you've ever been the highest ranking target in one of those games, you'll know that you get double teamed. Every. Single. Game. Often first thing. It is part of the game, whether you or I like it or not.

I dont really care though. If i can dt, i'll ask my teammate for permission. If its my friend, they prolly wont care. I hate dt but its not a pro thing to do. Sometimes, i HATE to be too ruthless and dt to see what that newbie is going to do. Sometimes, if its needed, then we'll all do it. What I'm trying to say is, that guy who said you played with noobs too much is an asshat. He could just say that "its teamwork" or like"you got knight. We had to kill you before you could kill any of us" But saying you're a noob right in your face was just too rude.

Note: I mean DT is not a pro thing and i hate it but i do not reject the fact that i do it.

i think dt'ing is just the normal way to play the game.  if you want 1v1's, go play 1v1.  sure, i play the game for fun.  i find planning a team strategy to get out of bad situations is fun when my brain is fired up.  of course, it is annoying to get killed first, but i just deal with it and have fun chatting or dropping bombs strategically.  maybe i get too much into it...

besides, it does require skill to dt properly.  your team has to be able to hit the enemy precisely from wherever their positions are, and it does require a cooperative team.

Well, they had a good reason to DT you. If they did that to me on an Aduka, then there would be definetely something wrong with that. Unfortunately, your turn was last, and they decided to take the liberty to quickly take you out before you had a chance to cause any serious damage. Better luck next time.

You all should know whats going to happen when you walk into a solo, metamine side A room...

Your going to get DTed by boomers/armours..... Get over it...

Coming from experience you can be eny rank and accomplish the same things. Just like you can be a group of chick accounts doing the same thing.....will they be as good at it? probly not unless they made a second account.

But its a part of the game, not against enyrules just there to play selfishly...
Ever onder why people disable items? (To shorten the games)

QuotePosting the picture proves I've played and won a number of games, nothing more.
Short of playing someone in the game it's the easiest proof I can come up with that I'm not some nub who's played for a week and decided he knows it all.
 
I guess I could just post anybody's picture and pretend to be some blue wand I don't even know, if THAT is what you're trying to say :P

haha... no i'm not saying you're posting someone else's pic... just that rank does not necessarily mean pro at all... because i've been playing more 1v1s lately and at least 6 out of 10 wands that come in and actually start the game are noobs... but anyway, i guess you're probably not a noob cos i read your boomer guide~~

yeah find me for games, i'm mostly in zone 11... and yeah i dunno why GB updates my rank like once every 3 days... so i should be slightly higher now anywayz  :D  

Quotewow, i'm not asking for a wave of haters here.

gosh.

yeah, but from what i read okay.
i play gb for fun, whatever.
i'll dt if i need to save someone.
but i still consider it lame to dt right from start to beginning.
call me a noob all you want.

to the question of whether i died before i got to my first turn: yes.
to the "i highly doubt he said you must play with noobs all the time": yes, he did say it.

now i invite you to stomp me more into the ground about how i'm a noob.
no offense, but it's people like you guys that really ruin the fun out of most of this game for me.
"OMG, YOU STUPID NOOB!"

-_-

The opinion of DT'ing ultimately depends on why you play.

Take me: There are times I go into a game and feel like winning (mostly when I am with a bunch of strangers or the opposing team is full of people we don't know) then I will DT to get the win.

AMong friends, normally I won't, but I have been known to.  

There are times when I play solely for fun (ask anyone who's seen me TK an unknown teammate who royally sucks, or telefall and miss) and then there are times when I go into "full on must win mode" and play serious. Just depends on who I am with and my mood at the time.

In all though, consider these:

Digging and hiding = strategy. I played a game with an old friend of mine from my old guild, and he had me beat, no question, however, it was SS death on cave. He was on an island to the left with Aduka/Grub and I was on the right side of the middle part, with Raon/Bigfoot.  One hit and I would have been done, so I began tunneling from the right to left, creating a hole behind me so Grub shot #2 could not get me. Eventually I made it to the other side, and with a couple raon shot #1's, bunged him, winning when he had like full life.

KS'ing - Strategy - though I do not consider it KS'ing unless the person who has been hurting him all along is right after your go.  I do it to save teamamtes from death, or if it's score, to move the game along.

Double Teaming is a strategy as well.  Yes it can be unfair IF you take it personal, which I have been known to do (once I was DT'd like 6 games in a row and just left lol) but ultimately it is part of the game. There are no rules against any of thses things, and my feeling is that if you cannot handle the strategies, even though you may not agree with them, you should be playing 1vs1's (like someone else said) or just take a break, sit back, and re-evalute of Gunbound is giving you the same enjoyment enough to keep you playing.

Those are my thoughts.

i also think DT is agreat strategy but hate it being done 2 me

DT`ing is a strategy. People who fail to see this are as bad as the people who think heals should be taken out of the game. Talk about making the game boring  :rolleyes:  

wah.

i mean, i'm not complaining (is this the point i'm getting across here? because i was asking for opinions, not bash-age on me to "get over it"). i never said i wouldn't dt- just in given situations. i just wanted to know what the heck other people thought about it.

speaking of playing solo, i don't usually. it's usually a score game nine out of ten times. i just happened to be in one that day.

griever: i can honestly say i've never asked for help, even when i'm dying. xD not personally, but i've had teammates who ask me "need help" and i'll say yes. :P does that count? xP and no, i don't remember asking for help when i face a knight or dragon either. >_> basically i know that i'll die first (given that it's someone who knows how to use the mobile correctly o_O), but i'm sure going to give that special mobile a hell of a lot of damage before i die. someone else can finish him off. xP

mauvecow: teamwork isn't lame. >_> i just have a different view on it. you can link the way i see dt to like... the way you fight a war. i mean, does everyone on one side jump on just one guy on the other side? you don't usually see like fifty guys beating up on one guy, right? it's usually one on one hand-to-hand combat.

QuoteI see DT this way.

Love to do it, hate to have it done to me.

Thats my line.

DT is definitely part of a winning team strategy and almost all pros realize that.  Which eventually leads to the conclusion (whether it's wrong or not) that if you don't DT, you must be a "noob" or "play with noobs".  I'm not saying you are, but that's just the natural reaction of most pros when you complain that DT is lame.

You must realize that a 4v4 team game is not equivalent to 1v1 1v1 1v1 1v1... unless the initial circumstances dictate it, which is rare.

I frequently (but not often enough) play with a pro boomer wand.  In one game on Sea of Hero, he spawned next to a mammoth who could not hit him.  On the 2nd turn, the pro ignored the mammoth and turned his attention all the way across the map to DT an a.sate who was having the upper hand on another teammate boomer.  They killed that a.sate and he ended up killing the unskilled mammoth too, giving us a big lead and an eventual win.  If he had not DT'ed, it would have been a closer fight, or maybe even a loss because the other team players were very good too.

I hate being DT'ed too but the difference is that I appreciate the team strategy behind it, so you won't hear any whining out of me.

I dont like it when I don't get a turn in these games. It pisses me off. I joined the game because i want a turn to shoot, not to freaking idle while they all gang up on me and not have a single turn.  

I look at it this way.

Gunbound's a war simulation, albeit one played with dinosaurs, turtles, and strangely romantic robots. One of the most fundamental advantages of war is more guys on one side than on the other. By concentrating enemy fire one one person, you can efficiently kill them before they get in multiple turns, saving damage. There's also a 4-turn window (in score) where your side outnumbers the other.

Here's an approximate conversation I had in one game.

guy: OMG no dt fukkers
me: Get over it. DT's a part of the game.
guy: and murders a part of life
me: You've got the debating skills of a pissing chihuaha.

Quotemauvecow: teamwork isn't lame. >_> i just have a different view on it. you can link the way i see dt to like... the way you fight a war. i mean, does everyone on one side jump on just one guy on the other side? you don't usually see like fifty guys beating up on one guy, right? it's usually one on one hand-to-hand combat.

You have a strange idea on how war works. Do swords shoot bullets? No? Then sorry, hand to hand is not the argument here. Do people take 5 hits to die? No? Then sorry, this argument does not apply. It's not like Saddam is going to take 30 bullets and then suddenly turn red, get larger, and start throwing five times the fireballs per second. No matter how amusing it may be. (http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-06-07&res=l)

In a game such as this, or in an RTS, you try to control momentum. To do this in this game you can do in more or less two ways, from incapacitating targets to killing them ASAP. The only way to do the latter is to doubleteam. Every turn a person lives(or can shoot normally) is a turn they can do 200-600 damage with, and woe to you if you take the latter, for it will cost you in the long run. A lot.

Again, if your view is that you don't see teamwork as being part of a team game, then don't goddamned play solo/tag. It is as simple as that. To state that your argument is anything BUT "teamwork is lame" is a complete misunderstanding of everything of the game from strategy to tactics. Now if you want to argue that the lethality or typical choice of maps in the game is lame, that's a whole 'nother story.

Double Teaming doesn't really bother me at all (although I have never been DT'ed so effectively to not get a single shot off), but however, I will not play 2v2's becuase of it.  I like having the option open whether I want to DT or not, and 2v2's pretty much force you to do it.  You can get away with not DT'ing in 3v3 and up, becuase a lot of people will not do it unless provoked in my experience.

I don't mind DT all that much, but it gets irritating if my teammates don't help.
It's really annoying when people that DTs complains about it when it's done to them.

if you dont DT, you have an equal chance of dying
dying = bad
therefore Dt = good :)

I usually play 2v2's, and DTing comes up in about half the games. It's just part of Gunbound, nothing anyone can do to stop it, may as well embrace it... or face mind-numbing aggrivation.

i hate DTing to the depths of hell. i see it exacly how chinakoneko sees it, a cheep way out. all i see it as something show how weak you actualy are. thats why i almost hate geting dragon/ knight because i know im gona get DT if not TT just because one person cant handle the fact that they could be half dead in one turn. but they can kill in 2 turns and still have less delay. comon dragon and knight shot 2 has about the same as a asate dual shot 2.

Quotei hate DTing to the depths of hell. i see it exacly how chinakoneko sees it, a cheep way out. all i see it as something show how weak you actualy are. thats why i almost hate geting dragon/ knight because i know im gona get DT if not TT just because one person cant handle the fact that they could be half dead in one turn. but they can kill in 2 turns and still have less delay. comon dragon and knight shot 2 has about the same as a asate dual shot 2.

Knight and Dragon shot 2 are both 950 delay. This is actually LESS than Armor's 960. A.Sate is 880. If you don't understand how delay works then don't freaking bring it up.

Oh, and you misspelled your guild name.

If you're going to give an argument you could at least try not to look like an idiot in the process. Never mind the one you've given has been rebutted about 50 times now and you have added nothing new to the discussion, besides showing that you really do not know what you are talking about or play at a level above that of newbie.

Eh I am fine with dt.Actually I usually just choose the person that I NEED to hit.Like if were both going after one guy in a score game the other guy is still alive and there can be enough time for the other lad to come down.So I start hitting the other lad and try to kill the other guy if I have a chance so what ends up happening is that 1 guy at half health an other guy is down for 3 turns so we have a couple turns to kill the other guy before his teamate comes down.DT is part of the game and strategy but dting at times doesn't help.

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Quotei hate DTing to the depths of hell. i see it exacly how chinakoneko sees it, a cheep way out. all i see it as something show how weak you actualy are. thats why i almost hate geting dragon/ knight because i know im gona get DT if not TT just because one person cant handle the fact that they could be half dead in one turn. but they can kill in 2 turns and still have less delay. comon dragon and knight shot 2 has about the same as a asate dual shot 2.

Knight and Dragon shot 2 are both 950 delay. This is actually LESS than Armor's 960. A.Sate is 880. If you don't understand how delay works then don't freaking bring it up.

Oh, and you misspelled your guild name.

If you're going to give an argument you could at least try not to look like an idiot in the process. Never mind the one you've given has been rebutted about 50 times now and you have added nothing new to the discussion, besides showing that you really do not know what you are talking about or play at a level above that of newbie.

erm, I agree with your whole post ;) even if it is a lil bit of flaming  :D  

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Quotei hate DTing to the depths of hell. i see it exacly how chinakoneko sees it, a cheep way out. all i see it as something show how weak you actualy are. thats why i almost hate geting dragon/ knight because i know im gona get DT if not TT just because one person cant handle the fact that they could be half dead in one turn. but they can kill in 2 turns and still have less delay. comon dragon and knight shot 2 has about the same as a asate dual shot 2.

Knight and Dragon shot 2 are both 950 delay. This is actually LESS than Armor's 960. A.Sate is 880. If you don't understand how delay works then don't freaking bring it up.

Oh, and you misspelled your guild name.

If you're going to give an argument you could at least try not to look like an idiot in the process. Never mind the one you've given has been rebutted about 50 times now and you have added nothing new to the discussion, besides showing that you really do not know what you are talking about or play at a level above that of newbie.

erm, I agree with your whole post ;) even if it is a lil bit of flaming  :D

post whore... o.O





;) lol

anyways... remember that WTF silent clan that went around pwning pro's? DTing is how they won most of their games, not to mention being able to dual successfully on the first turn.. so dting does sorta take skill....remember they took out the unlucky enemy that was right below 2 of their teammates, so that they would just barely killl him b4 his turn...
dting takes some skilll, but the majority of gb players abuse it

I agree having retards miss that are on your team to DT is one big no-no. It renders DT useless as you missed a shot and left yourself open anddd it makes you look like a fool. Sometimes..

I dont see double teaming wrong..

It could be strategical.

Even though i hear numerous people saying that "DT'ing is gay" "Only noobs do it"..

But its actually veryhelpful in some cases.

i have come to the crushing realization that i ALWAYS side with the minority of gunbound and always get hounded for it...

play as cake because it is what's 'cool' - never did it
buy a full clone suit - i'm a golden battle axe plus and haven't done it
teleports - never use them and am annoyed when others do
heals - love them, and hate it when people ask me to turn them off in MY room
double teaming - refuse to do it, even when 'necessary' to win

i guess this is all because i do tend to play for fun and not for winning. when people double team, they limit the amount of time that another person is playing. playing, for me, is directly related to fun. playing = fun. double teamed to the point that you don't get a turn = no fun.

i know there are plenty of people who don't play for fun and only play to win games and get a good rank. those are also the people who bot and hack and make the game unfun for others.

i don't see how double teaming is a 'pro' thing to do. my idea of pro is being able to kill someone all by myself, without help from others. my idea of n00b is needing all of your teammates to kill one person. but that is just my opinion.

and with all 5 things i listed before, i know that people are always going to do it. i'm just going to have to deal with it. i guess someday i will just snap and start double teaming people and wear the same avatar as everyone else and only play as cake and become another mindless drone of gunbound...

Quotei don't see how double teaming is a 'pro' thing to do. my idea of pro is being able to kill someone all by myself, without help from others. my idea of n00b is needing all of your teammates to kill one person. but that is just my opinion.

Okay, I'm sick and goddamned tired of this argument.

WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT OF A GODDAMNED FUCKING TEAM GAME IF NO ONE PLAYS IT LIKE A TEAM GAME? FINE, IF THAT'S HOW YOU WANT TO PLAY AND HOW YOU SEE 'PRO', GO PLAY FUCKING 1V1S.

IF ANYONE CAN TELL ME WHAT THE POINT IS OF HAVING A TEAM GAME WITHOUT TEAMWORK, I'D REALLY LIKE TO KNOW. IF YOU CANNOT GIVE AN ARGUMENT FOR THAT, THEN DON'T EVEN BOTHER TRYING TO ARGUE AGAINST IT. PERIOD. END OF STORY. GO BACK TO STICKING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND AND BELIEVING NONSENSICAL GIBBERISH.

Of course, this isn't going to get an answer, because there is no logical argument against it. All we will get is "I don't like it!" or "It's not fun!" Great. Deal with it. Fun is not an argument for 'pro'. That you don't like it isn't an argument, either, for what should be blindingly obvious reasons to someone with more than three brain cells to knock together.

This thread is over. Long over. No one's even trying to read anymore. Can I request a lock please?

People who say "No dt" are annoying.

Quotei have come to the crushing realization that i ALWAYS side with the minority of gunbound and always get hounded for it...

MARTYR.

Quoteplay as cake because it is what's 'cool' - never did it

Who hounds you for not playing cake?  I've never heard of anyone giving people shit for NOT using as cake, particularly in avatar off.  I sometimes get some shit for choosing to use mr. die-in-two-duals-and-inflicts-shitty-damage.  People don't care as much as you think about who you pick.

Quotebuy a full clone suit - i'm a golden battle axe plus and haven't done it

zzz avatar off is enormously popular so of course nobody expects this of you.

Quoteteleports - never use them and am annoyed when others do

This isn't exactly siding with the hip, elite underground minority.  I think the majority of good players don't care to use them and don't mind if they're disabled.

Quoteheals - love them, and hate it when people ask me to turn them off in MY room

I gotta admit, you're right... people who enable heals always catch a ton of (completely needless) flak.  I wish people would wake up and realize heals are inferior to duals and don't unbalance the game in any way, at least not in avatar off.

Quotedouble teaming - refuse to do it, even when 'necessary' to win

You're going to tell me in a score game, it's double death, it's 1-1, the next turn the enemy is guaranteed to win, you won't shoot a smoking enemy sitting right next to you because your teammate already has shot him?  There's only one word for someone who will intentionally allow the game to be lost just to satisfy some personal unwritten personal rule: ASSSSSSSS (I mean that in a nice way).

Quotewhen people double team, they limit the amount of time that another person is playing. playing, for me, is directly related to fun. playing = fun. double teamed to the point that you don't get a turn = no fun.

Why are you worried about how much fun someone else is having?
Fuck their fun, worry about your own.  Whether you personally choose to double team an enemy or not does NOT CHANGE HOW MUCH FUN YOU'RE HAVING (except maybe to decrease it because you lose more often).  
I repeat: whether you double team or not doesn't alter how many turns you stay alive (actually that's not true, double teaming the enemy keeps you and your teammates alive LONGER).  The only other thing that determines how long you stay alive (and I guess how much fun you have) is whether the ENEMY double teams, and that is BEYOND YOUR CONTROL.
For fuck's sake, if you're going to say DTing is cheap because it's decreasing the enemy's fun by costing them turns... why don't you just use your absolute weakest weapon?  Why don't you aim to half hit or almost miss every shot?  In fact, fuck it, don't use any items, don't shoot when it's your turn, and don't respawn or drop slot items when you die.  It's so horribly unfair of you to try to kill the enemy and decrease their fun level.

Quotei know there are plenty of people who don't play for fun and only play to win games and get a good rank. those are also the people who bot and hack and make the game unfun for others.

What a lame generalization.  Anyone who is competitive or can only have fun by playing seriously to win is automatically a botter and a jerk in your world.  Not all of us can be satisfied getting their ass kicked repeatedly.

As for making the game unfun for others - I am capable of having fun without expecting others to change their behavior.  I have had fun on gunbound from day one, double teaming and all, because the game is inherently fun.  I don't need to force certain behavior on your to MAKE it fun.  I think it sucks you can't have fun without making other people play by arbitrary 'house rules' you create.  

Quotei don't see how double teaming is a 'pro' thing to do. my idea of pro is being able to kill someone all by myself, without help from others. my idea of n00b is needing all of your teammates to kill one person.

Reality check, pro is short for professional, someone who can play well.  Playing well = winning more than the other guys, not "having more fun than the other guy" or "giving the enemy as many turns as possible".  Not "letting my teammate eat a dual and die because I'm a wanker who refused to kill their nearly dead opponent".
PRO is being able to hit any enemy at any time, being a threat to every enemy on the map, not just the dink 1 inch away from you.  
You've got a funny definition of noob.  If my team can beat yours consistently 5-0 in a score game using double teaming (which is not at all unrealistic since we'll assume you all refuse to DT)... then we have a paradox:
A: My team is noob
B: Your team is so pro because you don't ever 'need' help.
C: Your team loses badly to my team.
D: Therefore your team is really somewhere far below what you call 'noob' level.

Quotei guess someday i will just snap and start double teaming people and wear the same avatar as everyone else and only play as cake and become another mindless drone of gunbound...

You sound like one of those guys who complains about the horrors of capitalism while you're living on daddy's nickel, or who thinks having to take a test for a driver's license is nazi bullshit.

Bottom line:  You're a whiner man, sorry to break the news.  You have that martyr/whiner mindset.  You've complained about being persecuted for playing cake (doesn't happen), for not buying a full set (nobody cares), for not using teleports (wayyyyy off base)... I can't stand seeing this shit, it makes me want to go off.  People like you ruin games because you want everything spoonfed, watered down, nerfed, oversimplified.  You suck the fun out of what should be a competitive game.  You want MKIII instead of VF4, tetherball instead of volleyball, badminton instead of tennis.  If you can't tolerate playing with competitive people then you should stick to 1 player games, because multiplayer games will always have the element of team-a-can-utterly-crush-team-b.

i agree with you guys, creedo and mauvecow... i felt like busting out on them, too, but don't ya think u guys should be a bit gentler? :P

anyway, i don't understand why people feel so uppity about dt'ing.  it's like part of the game, yo?  you can't say, "oh it's what everyone does and it's wrong..." multiplayer mode is built on a team based framework.  4v4 doesn't mean more players for you to solo.  it means you working with your teammates.  if your teammate is about to die, you obviously go and save him.  if teaming up on an enemy gives your team the advantage, then you do so.  NOT doing so is being selfish and not playing as a team (go play 1v1's against some noob).

the solution to dt'ing?  triple teaming.

mauvecow and creedo are just goddamn hilarious...

Quotei don't see how double teaming is a 'pro' thing to do. my idea of pro is being able to kill someone all by myself, without help from others. my idea of n00b is needing all of your teammates to kill one person. but that is just my opinion.

to kill someone all by yourself isn't too hard, since many different bots have different advantage against other bots... say in a situation (this happened in one of my games), i'm boomer (as always) and i started next to sate... i do a backshot thru sunlight using dual+, dealing 500+ dmg... he does the same, no fancy shots, just tapping spacebar, dealing 500+ dmg and 60 less delay than me, although we took the same amount of time to shoot... next shot he duals on thor, and i die... he tapped the spacebar twice, does that mean he is very pro? wat is your defintion of pro? to be able to out-advantage other players with your bot? dude, quit the whining and learn to play the game... please... before u get any more insults thrown at your face...

I agree...if u wanna show how pro u are play 1v1 and kill some lad/lass all by yourself... ;)  

...i've been pwnd...

i realize some of my arguements were illogical so i'll just stop talking. i'm sorry everyone got their panties in a bunch over this one...

you guys play how you want to play, i'll play how i want to play, and lets hope we never meet up in non-1v1 game.

the end.

Quoteyou guys play how you want to play, i'll play how i want to play, and lets hope we never meet up in non-1v1 game.

:D  At least YOU hope we never meet, because we'll DT your and your teammates' asses off to kingdom come.  LOL.   :D  

Hey, ummm...

I guess I'm one of Moptastic's 'teammates' but here's my opinion:

If I am playing not with friends to win, I have absolutely nothing against double teaming.  I wouldn't call it pro - it just seems natural to me.  However, Moptastic is the person of the highest skill (not 'pro'ness - just skill) that I play with on a very regular basis.  When we are playing a game, it's impossible to DT, because if I do (with Moptastic on my team), he immediately switches targets.

I don't complain.  We win more than our share without team-stacking, and though sometimes I am frustrated that Moptastic will refuse to kill someone, it doesn't come up too often.  The times when it IS frustrating are when:

A. The other team DT's one of us (quite often)
B. The other team gets dragon / knight (Duh)
C. I need help (I'll help him - I just get yelled at)
D. It's a game-winner / loser (very frustrating)

When I play with friends, I generally don't DT - this is where that fun = alive thing comes in.  But with strangers, ESPECIALLY with a game of all strangers, I am a DT-alohic.  It's just better (sorry to burst your bubble Moptastic, but I don't play by your rules when you aren't around).

Now, some of you will yell at me to get out of the routine of listening to Moptastic, but like I said - he's good at the game in general, so I don't mind in general.  

I guess what I'm saying is that Moptastic plays a different Gunbound then you guys do, and I have a foot in both.  Moptastic can't see your point of view because, even though he possesses (or is at least generally close) to have the skills to play at a close-ish level with 'pros', he can't because anyone who tries to win is kicked for being a n00b.  I must submit to these 'house rules' when I play with him, but when by myself I can see and appreciate Double Teaming.

In Conclusion...

Double Teaming in a game of all friends who are playing only semi-competetively is kinda lame.  Give your friends (especially those newer to gunbound) a chance.

Double Teaming in general is annoying as hell, but not because it is lame or wrong or noobish.  It's just annoying when two people are attacking you - duh.

In case you are wondering, as stated before Moptastic is a Gold Battle Axe Plus.  I am a Gold Battle Axe.  Not super-pro, but perhaps quasi-kinda-pro-ish.

So I'm done rambling now.  Flame me if you want, just give Moptastic a wee tad more respect, cause he deserves a LITTLE bit more than you are giving him.

For all I know mop could be the best player in the world, not missing a single shot throughout the entire game and having immense tactical skills. This does not change that his view is incorrect, stupid, and retarded in ways that have been covered about a hundred billion times throughout this entire (devolving) discussion and I will not reiterate them. Again. For him to come in this late with the same goddamned illogical retarded BS we've been hearing over and over, he's going to get the full brunt of the frustration anyone with a bit of sanity has.

I will agree that organized vs unorganized teams, in the triple-team-a-thon fashion, are pretty lame. This is one of those things where I have a serious axe to grind with some 'pro' solo metaminers.(When don't I?) Fortunately it doesn't come up all that often on maps that aren't pathetically easy to aim on, so.

Additionally, I don't normally play with/against randoms, so the whole argument just goes out the window. This, in effect, makes it worse for me: Ever be the first target of everyone, every single game? It can be exasperating. I'm pretty much a proponent of even teams (If I head into a room with friends and it's all wands on one side and not on the other, I am going to be one pissy cow), as well, so.

QuoteI will not reiterate them. Again.

I agree 100% with you mauve, but this quote makes me laugh a little. Iterate already means to say again - this is like, doubly redundant. :-P

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QuoteI will not reiterate them. Again.

I agree 100% with you mauve, but this quote makes me laugh a little. Iterate already means to say again - this is like, doubly redundant. :-P

Well you are wrong friend.  "Reiterate" and "iterate" have the same meaning -- to do again or repeatedly.  They are interchangeable.  Just like "ravel" and "unravel", "respective" and "irrespective", "regardless" and "irregardless", etc.  And so class, this ends English 101 for today....  haha   :D  

Dt is part of the game.
Anyone who doesnt when they should is just a weak player who lets the peer pressure from the other team affect their better judgment.