Useful International Language.

[Rhymer]

NAIS(North American Ido Society)

You'll find everything you need in there. Please don't ask for membership if you won't contribute in a way or another.

[ProfessorPap]

good idea- if there's one thing the world needs, it's another language.  btw how's your conversational klingon?

[Rhymer]

I'll be laughing when the language I'm rooting for becomes the favored international language and that it's compulsory for everyone to learn. :^_^:

[kiwibonga]

English is the international language. Women fart. Priests masturbate.

I don't think your half assed klingon is going to make it into schools in our lifetime or in our grandchildren's lifetime.

There IS a list of things the world needs to accomplish, and having the same language for every country is very far from being the #1 priority!

At the very top, there's already stuff like making everyone adopt the same religion, making all cars switch over to clean, oil-independent energy, and actually getting rid of borders between countries, etc etc etc

[FFN]

English is the international language.

I agree, those crazy europeans and their empiral reign and the spread of english across the world, had not china closed off its trade economy from the world for nearly 500 years however, we might all be speaking chinese!

[Rhymer]

English is the international language.

Bullshit. English is as much as an international language as Cree is. If English is really the international language, explain the GB jaja'ers?

For the record, I was looking for interested people. Or you're interested and participate in something with 98 years of history, or you've got nothing to say, in which case you should say nothing.

[ProfessorPap]

I'll be laughing when the language I'm rooting for becomes the favored international language and that it's compulsory for everyone to learn. :^_^:

well now you've got my curiosity piqued.  what is the point behind ido, exactly?  and why do any rational social scientists think it has a snowball's chance in hell of becoming the standard for anyone?

EDIT: nvm, i looked it up... it really is just a reworking of esperanto.  still seems totally pointless to me, tho- like it's only future is going to be for people who want to learn a 'hobby language' or a few whackos who want to teach it to their children as a primary language.  yea, good luck with that.


btw i've heard several times in the past that french, not english, is the official designated international language.  dunno how true that is exactly, but in various worldwide sporting events and political events i've noticed french was indeed the default language used.

[SLdK]

i've noticed french was indeed the default language used.

Kiwi confirmation?

[Rhymer]

well now you've got my curiosity piqued. what is the point behind ido, exactly? and why do any rational social scientists think it has a snowball's chance in hell of becoming the standard for anyone?

EDIT: nvm, i looked it up... it really is just a reworking of esperanto. still seems totally pointless to me, tho- like it's only future is going to be for people who want to learn a 'hobby language' or a few whackos who want to teach it to their children as a primary language. yea, good luck with that.

Well it's a good rework. Esperanto takes about 7 weeks to get a good base. With Ido it's only about 5. It is a VERY easy language with no out-of-the-ordinary features, except that it's agglutinative. You learn a few core words, some suffixes and prefixes, whoopedidoo you can speak Ido!

All verbs are regular : for infinitive the verb always end in -ar (esar, komprenar, babilar), present tense it's always in -as(me esas, tu komprenas, vi babilas), etc. There is no out-of-the-ordinary letter(the closest to that is Ido "c", which is pronounced "ts"), no silent letters, a letter sounds always the same, the rules are always constant, unlike Esperanto,  it even sounds pretty. There is no definite article and no gender to nouns. To indicate plural, you just change the last letter into -i(patro/patri, linguo/lingui, etc). Tell me ONE thing that isn't to win about this.

Considering Esperanto came pretty close of snatching the title(it was refused due to shortcomings like the accented special letters and some unconsistent rules), I would be surprised Ido couldn't get it. Like they say, it takes 7 years to learn English, 7 weeks for Esperanto and 5 weeks for Ido.

Most Esperantists can't find a good con about Ido. All they whine about are the origins of the language. And I must be a whacko 'cause I'd definetly teach Ido to my childrens as a first language. The more speakers the language has, the bigger share of the market it gets, the more chances it has to be accepted as the lingua franca of the world.

btw i've heard several times in the past that french, not english, is the official designated international language. dunno how true that is exactly, but in various worldwide sporting events and political events i've noticed french was indeed the default language used.

French lost to English in the Olympic Concil despise the very history of the Council. Aside from the Fracophonie, if there is still any organization using French as a default language, it's a matter of time before English overruns it.

[Ybom]

conversational klingon...half assed klingon...just a reworking of esperanto...seems totally pointless...hobby language...it[post whacko comment]...

I sense anger building up towards Tony, who just wanted to see if anyone was interested in promoting an auxlang here on GBGL. Why so much bad faith in something like this; is it too good to be true, or do you sense some type of conspiracy going down (paranoia)? I'm just very confused why so many, not just here, want to shoot down something that could help the world if implemented properly. Maybe all auxlangs that are created for a common good are to be shot down because of the Tower of Babel or something. Hell if I know!

I was the one who originally linked him to NAIS, so all responsibility for this thread should be on my shoulders. I respect Ido, where most of you seem to not.


...bitches...

[Rhymer]

I was the one who originally linked him to NAIS, so all responsibility for this thread should be on my shoulders.

No, I refuse you take any responsabilities towards my actions. I'm a big boy, I don't need a scrapegoat ^^

But it's true, I only wanted to look for any people interested in Ido, but I guess there's none. Oh well.

[kiwibonga]

It has to do with the UN administration being mainly in belgium, I believe...

But English is clearly the language of reference... In the vast majority of countries, English is taught first (after the official language if applicable)...

Edit: whoops... left the posting window open for several hours..

Anyway... If you say "I'll be laughing when the language I'm rooting for becomes the favored international language and that it's compulsory for everyone to learn" -- you're clearly opening a debate. Don't expect people to hear you say such dumb things without reacting ; you will be long dead when this happens, if it happens, and won't physically be able to laugh.

Also I believe we have a policy on second accounts, you could have made a name change request, if you are the Tony I am thinking about.

Edit 2:

Don't register a new name to cry on the boards that you were banned and we're a bunch of power abusers (or something to that effect)

Well... meh.

[Ybom]

But English is clearly the language of reference... In the vast majority of countries, English is taught first (after the official language if applicable)...

but then again, the world could do so much better, why not help it? English is a big bag of poo disguised as a way to keep kids in school till they've completed 12 grades. I feel sorry for me and everyone else who's suffered this same silliness.

Unless you're just eager to watch the Spelling Bee Superbowl every year or so, which is all I can see English good for (and all of it's 10 viewers).

[Rhymer]

Anyway... If you say "I'll be laughing when the language I'm rooting for becomes the favored international language and that it's compulsory for everyone to learn" -- you're clearly opening a debate. Don't expect people to hear you say such dumb things without reacting ; you will be long dead when this happens, if it happens, and won't physically be able to laugh.

Okay, let's debate. Like all good debates, we should give this one a title.

"Ido vs English -- Which one is better suited to become an international language?"

or

"Ido -- Is this conlang suited to become the lingua franca of the world?"

You choose. You can even set the debate theme as long as it's on-topic. I'll be on the Ido side ; I'm also eagerly waiting for some arguments. Who sides with me?

Also I believe we have a policy on second accounts, you could have made a name change request, if you are the Tony I am thinking about.

Just ban my other if you want.

[ProfessorPap]

Well it's a good rework. Esperanto takes about 7 weeks to get a good base. With Ido it's only about 5. It is a VERY easy language with no out-of-the-ordinary features, except that it's agglutinative. You learn a few core words, some suffixes and prefixes, whoopedidoo you can speak Ido!

All verbs are regular : for infinitive the verb always end in -ar (esar, komprenar, babilar), present tense it's always in -as(me esas, tu komprenas, vi babilas), etc. There is no out-of-the-ordinary letter(the closest to that is Ido "c", which is pronounced "ts"), no silent letters, a letter sounds always the same, the rules are always constant, unlike Esperanto,  it even sounds pretty. There is no definite article and no gender to nouns. To indicate plural, you just change the last letter into -i(patro/patri, linguo/lingui, etc). Tell me ONE thing that isn't to win about this.

Considering Esperanto came pretty close of snatching the title(it was refused due to shortcomings like the accented special letters and some unconsistent rules), I would be surprised Ido couldn't get it. Like they say, it takes 7 years to learn English, 7 weeks for Esperanto and 5 weeks for Ido.

Most Esperantists can't find a good con about Ido. All they whine about are the origins of the language. And I must be a whacko 'cause I'd definetly teach Ido to my childrens as a first language. The more speakers the language has, the bigger share of the market it gets, the more chances it has to be accepted as the lingua franca of the world.

that was a really nice explanation and i appreciate it.  sorry for the heavy skepticism and  dismissive attitude earlier- i guess i'm not a very happy camper lately.  OTOH, i don't think the introductory post was the best- the tone came across as IDO being really trivial when in fact it's a really interesting project as i now understand it.

part of the problem for me is also... well- GB is a young person's game and by extension this is a young person's forums.  lots of threads around here have a flavour of disrespecting rational and level-headed dialogue towards an end result of trying to be funny, cool and hip.  ironically, mangling language is one of the most popular ways of achieving that humour.  but to me it's mostly a bore because clear communication has long been one of my most respected principles.  and i like to think that life itself is so inherantly overflowing with humour that millions of jokes are everywhere if only i care to see them.

anyway, what i'm trying to say is... if you had begun this thread in a rationalistic way , sketching out the benefits of a language like IDO before ending with your link, i'm not sure if anyone would have read it- they might have detected school intruding on their free time and immediately run away.  so i see a bit of a dilemma with this subject, and maybe many others.

furthermore, i can definitely see some beauty and purpose in IDO and can imagine some realistic and positive real-world applications.  if five weeks is correct, the potential usefulness of this tool is enormous.

French lost to English in the Olympic Concil despise the very history of the Council.

interesting... do you have a date?

and kiwi is saying the headquarters were in belgium... ah so?