Complaint #4 [LOL JK SUCCESS]

[LayneStal3y]

Is it true? They reduced general shot damages all around? When did I miss this? Does this mean no more 400 dmg shotguns or kalsiddon 1 hit KO?

im telling u.

noone uses kal/j frog unless theyre homos. or avatar on j frog homos -_-

[Sayo]

dual only games are easier, i even used to say "no, let's not use dual+ , i dont want to think too much

[Eric]

I do not like to play with all items on and will stop charging cash if you do not bring this feature back, because the game is not fun anymore

Lawl, I would stop too if I actually paid for cash items and stuff. <_<

[creedo]

Well, it looks like damages are still gay, but apparently people are being cool and honest and not abusing kalsiddon. That's what people keep saying. I never heard of a game where people had a chance to exploit something easy and lame to win... but chose not to. It just doesn't seem to happen.

Anyway, I can see why they'd say "frog is perfect as it is"... this is softnyx balance. "Frog is shitty damage in avatar off and 1 hit KO in avatar on. Balance these two things and frog is 'average'"

It's sort of the same logic with JD. "He's got the worst attack and defense in avatar off, but he gets the cheap splash damage bonus in avatar on. Therefore he is perfectly balanced"

Welcome to Softnyx General Hospital:
"This doctor keeps accidentally killing patients with minor, treatable problems. But, he also delivered two babies into the world today. He is a good doctor overall."

I'm kinda neutral about the items. Dual+ is obviously good, but is it so good that duals aren't worth packing, when sometimes you need a pair of shot 2's to kill an enemy (1 then 2 won't cut it?) And obviously heals are valuable, or there'd be no gripes about them. So in the end you can't say "it's all about the d+" when you pretty much HAVE to pack at least one dual and/or heal.

I think what's happened is we're so used to using the one item in the game that has the worst penalty in the game, delay-wise... that we think anything less is unfair. But on average, most items have always been as cheap as dual+...

I guess they could increase the delay on all the items that really matter, to the point where it's a tossup between whether to dual or dual+ or heal... but will it make the game any more fun?

I sort of understand also about not wanting to think too much. Some games are fun because they're simpler.

[Satoshi]

I think we got our hopes up too high whenever Complaint #1 was a success.

[kiwibonga]

Well, complaint 1 was cash related -- they won't do crap unless it's cash related, which is why we have to insist on the whole "if you don't do it, we'll stop charging cash" thing

[gingolonga]

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[Namtiehxam]

Anyway, you guys know me, I don't want to disable items just to use cheap tactics and dominate my opponents, I along with a lot (thousands) of other people don't like the item balance as it is and feel that items should either be modified or disabled.

I beg you're pardon?  I seem to remember a CERTAIN SOMEONE complaining that they cannot disable teles...because naks use them, and you lose.  ...so you don't want to dominate them, but just....dominate them?  *lost*

I like the idea of some servers with item disabing and some without...though it would end up the way of when they allowed popularity in avatar off (worst mistake ever).

As for people complaining about balance...avatar on is well-balanced now.  Softnyx obviously wants to cater to avatar on (more servers, cash avatars w/ better stats), so it makes sense that avatar on be balanced moreso than off.  In an ideal world both would be balanced...but obviously it's not, and softnyx does what it/they can.

[Satoshi]

The funny thing is, we're putting much more thought and consideration into this than Softnyx has (and probably ever will).  

[GujuSol]

I Love having all items, exept for heals. Sometimes I even use them too keep up wiht everyone else. But the thing i hate is how easy it is to use them. I mean with all the other items, you need to aim your shot. (Well, wind change doesnt need aim, but since it effects everone, I guess it doesn't count.)

I think a good thing to do is make heal sort of like a "vampire" shot. if you do over 50 dmg to an enemy in the same turn as you use a heal, then I'd have no real problems with them. What I do have a problem with is noobs who cant aim, and you have to waste tons of time hitting them.(after they heal a bunch of times.)

Another solution is to limit item diabling, like only 3 or four items can be disabled.

Well, thats my idea, peace.

[kiwibonga]

Anyway, you guys know me, I don't want to disable items just to use cheap tactics and dominate my opponents, I along with a lot (thousands) of other people don't like the item balance as it is and feel that items should either be modified or disabled.

I beg your pardon?  I seem to remember a CERTAIN SOMEONE complaining that they cannot disable teles...because naks use them, and you lose.  ...so you don't want to dominate them, but just....dominate them?  *lost*

Nak doesn't need to tele 2 inches from someone in order to hit.

This is the equivalent of wanting people to 3in1 from a distance with trico instead of getting 3 pixels away and scoring 300 damage by shotgunning... I'm not going to write a nak guide here, but you need to pack wind changes, and make sure your shots land as vertically as possible in order to hit correctly from a long range without screwing yourself over, it's a very hard thing to predict, far harder than 3in1s. When I see people wasting their time and my time on gunbound by teleporting in my face and tapping their spacebar, it makes me want to punch the screen.

I don't usually disable teles unless someone has been abusing them and wants to keep playing against me. I tell them that I'm disabling teles before I do it as well.

But well, teles aren't that important... I don't think it's an unfair item, it's just extremely annoying when used for offensive purposes. I wouldn't pick raon/grub/cake/etc and disable teles to dominate the enemy, for example, but I would indeed limit the enemy's ability to be a cheap fucker by removing the appropriate items.

[Tweekins]

I see everyone's point with wanting the old ideas that were on TH to be implemented to WC, but honestly, if TH began with all items, and then along came WC where the items can be turned off, there would still be complaining. There is no easy way to satisfy everyone.

[Satoshi]

Satisfy everyone:

Give us Thor's Hammer

[Aperama]

Sorry, but I'm not supportive of this complaint.

The real problems are with the present damage system and with the abuse of certain bots. Before you accuse me, it is rare that I ever use a dual+, and I pride myself in using a balanced itemset. However, GB is just so bloody broken lately that I can't summon the will to play. I crash every 4 games, and have to play whores to get games without a power card; this, of course, leads to the ol' Solo dual dual dead scenario, regardless of itemset. DAMAGE NEEDS TO BE REVISED. ;_;

[cyberpimpbot]

But yes, of course, it would mean that every 5 seconds someone would enter, then say "heals gay fuk" and will leave... That's why I proposed to have 'custom servers' where we can disable items, and normal servers where you can't disable them.

Adding servers doesn't seem very likely. A better way would be to have rooms with items disabled have an icon indicating such in the server room screen