dting is a true pro virtue

[eraddeus]

I look at it this way.

Gunbound's a war simulation, albeit one played with dinosaurs, turtles, and strangely romantic robots. One of the most fundamental advantages of war is more guys on one side than on the other. By concentrating enemy fire one one person, you can efficiently kill them before they get in multiple turns, saving damage. There's also a 4-turn window (in score) where your side outnumbers the other.

Here's an approximate conversation I had in one game.

guy: OMG no dt fukkers
me: Get over it. DT's a part of the game.
guy: and murders a part of life
me: You've got the debating skills of a pissing chihuaha.

[mauvecow]

mauvecow: teamwork isn't lame. >_> i just have a different view on it. you can link the way i see dt to like... the way you fight a war. i mean, does everyone on one side jump on just one guy on the other side? you don't usually see like fifty guys beating up on one guy, right? it's usually one on one hand-to-hand combat.

You have a strange idea on how war works. Do swords shoot bullets? No? Then sorry, hand to hand is not the argument here. Do people take 5 hits to die? No? Then sorry, this argument does not apply. It's not like Saddam is going to take 30 bullets and then suddenly turn red, get larger, and start throwing five times the fireballs per second. No matter how amusing it may be.

In a game such as this, or in an RTS, you try to control momentum. To do this in this game you can do in more or less two ways, from incapacitating targets to killing them ASAP. The only way to do the latter is to doubleteam. Every turn a person lives(or can shoot normally) is a turn they can do 200-600 damage with, and woe to you if you take the latter, for it will cost you in the long run. A lot.

Again, if your view is that you don't see teamwork as being part of a team game, then don't goddamned play solo/tag. It is as simple as that. To state that your argument is anything BUT "teamwork is lame" is a complete misunderstanding of everything of the game from strategy to tactics. Now if you want to argue that the lethality or typical choice of maps in the game is lame, that's a whole 'nother story.

[LiteYear]

Double Teaming doesn't really bother me at all (although I have never been DT'ed so effectively to not get a single shot off), but however, I will not play 2v2's becuase of it.  I like having the option open whether I want to DT or not, and 2v2's pretty much force you to do it.  You can get away with not DT'ing in 3v3 and up, becuase a lot of people will not do it unless provoked in my experience.

[darkmagnolia]

I don't mind DT all that much, but it gets irritating if my teammates don't help.
It's really annoying when people that DTs complains about it when it's done to them.

[Drknecro]

if you dont DT, you have an equal chance of dying
dying = bad
therefore Dt = good

[Papercut]

I usually play 2v2's, and DTing comes up in about half the games. It's just part of Gunbound, nothing anyone can do to stop it, may as well embrace it... or face mind-numbing aggrivation.

[godofwar13]

i hate DTing to the depths of hell. i see it exacly how chinakoneko sees it, a cheep way out. all i see it as something show how weak you actualy are. thats why i almost hate geting dragon/ knight because i know im gona get DT if not TT just because one person cant handle the fact that they could be half dead in one turn. but they can kill in 2 turns and still have less delay. comon dragon and knight shot 2 has about the same as a asate dual shot 2.

[mauvecow]

i hate DTing to the depths of hell. i see it exacly how chinakoneko sees it, a cheep way out. all i see it as something show how weak you actualy are. thats why i almost hate geting dragon/ knight because i know im gona get DT if not TT just because one person cant handle the fact that they could be half dead in one turn. but they can kill in 2 turns and still have less delay. comon dragon and knight shot 2 has about the same as a asate dual shot 2.

Knight and Dragon shot 2 are both 950 delay. This is actually LESS than Armor's 960. A.Sate is 880. If you don't understand how delay works then don't freaking bring it up.

Oh, and you misspelled your guild name.

If you're going to give an argument you could at least try not to look like an idiot in the process. Never mind the one you've given has been rebutted about 50 times now and you have added nothing new to the discussion, besides showing that you really do not know what you are talking about or play at a level above that of newbie.

[GoodLad]

Eh I am fine with dt.Actually I usually just choose the person that I NEED to hit.Like if were both going after one guy in a score game the other guy is still alive and there can be enough time for the other lad to come down.So I start hitting the other lad and try to kill the other guy if I have a chance so what ends up happening is that 1 guy at half health an other guy is down for 3 turns so we have a couple turns to kill the other guy before his teamate comes down.DT is part of the game and strategy but dting at times doesn't help.

[00Sniper]

i hate DTing to the depths of hell. i see it exacly how chinakoneko sees it, a cheep way out. all i see it as something show how weak you actualy are. thats why i almost hate geting dragon/ knight because i know im gona get DT if not TT just because one person cant handle the fact that they could be half dead in one turn. but they can kill in 2 turns and still have less delay. comon dragon and knight shot 2 has about the same as a asate dual shot 2.

Knight and Dragon shot 2 are both 950 delay. This is actually LESS than Armor's 960. A.Sate is 880. If you don't understand how delay works then don't freaking bring it up.

Oh, and you misspelled your guild name.

If you're going to give an argument you could at least try not to look like an idiot in the process. Never mind the one you've given has been rebutted about 50 times now and you have added nothing new to the discussion, besides showing that you really do not know what you are talking about or play at a level above that of newbie.

erm, I agree with your whole post even if it is a lil bit of flaming    

[el6uapo]

i hate DTing to the depths of hell. i see it exacly how chinakoneko sees it, a cheep way out. all i see it as something show how weak you actualy are. thats why i almost hate geting dragon/ knight because i know im gona get DT if not TT just because one person cant handle the fact that they could be half dead in one turn. but they can kill in 2 turns and still have less delay. comon dragon and knight shot 2 has about the same as a asate dual shot 2.

Knight and Dragon shot 2 are both 950 delay. This is actually LESS than Armor's 960. A.Sate is 880. If you don't understand how delay works then don't freaking bring it up.

Oh, and you misspelled your guild name.

If you're going to give an argument you could at least try not to look like an idiot in the process. Never mind the one you've given has been rebutted about 50 times now and you have added nothing new to the discussion, besides showing that you really do not know what you are talking about or play at a level above that of newbie.

erm, I agree with your whole post even if it is a lil bit of flaming  

post whore... o.O





lol

anyways... remember that WTF silent clan that went around pwning pro's? DTing is how they won most of their games, not to mention being able to dual successfully on the first turn.. so dting does sorta take skill....remember they took out the unlucky enemy that was right below 2 of their teammates, so that they would just barely killl him b4 his turn...
dting takes some skilll, but the majority of gb players abuse it

[SLdK]

I agree having retards miss that are on your team to DT is one big no-no. It renders DT useless as you missed a shot and left yourself open anddd it makes you look like a fool. Sometimes..

[Aroonxors]

I dont see double teaming wrong..

It could be strategical.

Even though i hear numerous people saying that "DT'ing is gay" "Only noobs do it"..

But its actually veryhelpful in some cases.

[moptastic]

i have come to the crushing realization that i ALWAYS side with the minority of gunbound and always get hounded for it...

play as cake because it is what's 'cool' - never did it
buy a full clone suit - i'm a golden battle axe plus and haven't done it
teleports - never use them and am annoyed when others do
heals - love them, and hate it when people ask me to turn them off in MY room
double teaming - refuse to do it, even when 'necessary' to win

i guess this is all because i do tend to play for fun and not for winning. when people double team, they limit the amount of time that another person is playing. playing, for me, is directly related to fun. playing = fun. double teamed to the point that you don't get a turn = no fun.

i know there are plenty of people who don't play for fun and only play to win games and get a good rank. those are also the people who bot and hack and make the game unfun for others.

i don't see how double teaming is a 'pro' thing to do. my idea of pro is being able to kill someone all by myself, without help from others. my idea of n00b is needing all of your teammates to kill one person. but that is just my opinion.

and with all 5 things i listed before, i know that people are always going to do it. i'm just going to have to deal with it. i guess someday i will just snap and start double teaming people and wear the same avatar as everyone else and only play as cake and become another mindless drone of gunbound...

[mauvecow]

i don't see how double teaming is a 'pro' thing to do. my idea of pro is being able to kill someone all by myself, without help from others. my idea of n00b is needing all of your teammates to kill one person. but that is just my opinion.

Okay, I'm sick and goddamned tired of this argument.

WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT OF A GODDAMNED FUCKING TEAM GAME IF NO ONE PLAYS IT LIKE A TEAM GAME? FINE, IF THAT'S HOW YOU WANT TO PLAY AND HOW YOU SEE 'PRO', GO PLAY FUCKING 1V1S.

IF ANYONE CAN TELL ME WHAT THE POINT IS OF HAVING A TEAM GAME WITHOUT TEAMWORK, I'D REALLY LIKE TO KNOW. IF YOU CANNOT GIVE AN ARGUMENT FOR THAT, THEN DON'T EVEN BOTHER TRYING TO ARGUE AGAINST IT. PERIOD. END OF STORY. GO BACK TO STICKING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND AND BELIEVING NONSENSICAL GIBBERISH.

Of course, this isn't going to get an answer, because there is no logical argument against it. All we will get is "I don't like it!" or "It's not fun!" Great. Deal with it. Fun is not an argument for 'pro'. That you don't like it isn't an argument, either, for what should be blindingly obvious reasons to someone with more than three brain cells to knock together.

This thread is over. Long over. No one's even trying to read anymore. Can I request a lock please?